How did you meet producer Caleb Southern?
Darren: He liked the band I was in before. Then we got to be friends and we'd always talked about recording together and doing some stuff. And when I was really excited about getting this band, when we were getting it off the ground, I would invite Caleb out to see the shows, because I wanted him to be part of it, I thought that he would put a really cool angle on where we were going with it.


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